So I Guess You Can Say Things Are Getting Pretty Serious (2023)

Most of whom WHERE RUSSIANS, who will never see trial. So they mean nothing.

Next, Flynn was entrapped as we recently learned yesterday from previously withheld Brady material. Its not looking good for the Obama boys in the FBI

Your excuses for lying criminals is disgusting.

Don't hold your breath for anything sticking to Obama. That is as likely as ending the 2nd amendment.

The people caught in a lie, are the FBI officials who's intent was to entrap Flynn, and the prosecutors who continually kept exculpatory evidence from Flynn in violation of his rights.

Eat shit.

The Dossier was started by a Republican anit-Trump super pac. It's amazing how you can forget that and would be stupid enough to even mention it considering it was non-radical Republicans who began the investigation.

It ran under Republican control longer than under Dem control, a full 6 mo.

It also, was NOT the only piece of evidence that began the investigation. You should know that as well.

Hyper partisan talking points that are so easily seen as lies and half truths, completely discount your argument.

It's over

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html&ved=2ahUKEwjG5K_QzpXpAhUFXa0KHYwRAfAQFjABegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3MYiEelBQA8Lm6JPAH6qn8&cshid=1588437491322

Further the Steele Dossier was the KEY piece of evidence used to obtain the FISA warrant against page. This is led to the investigation and proposed changes to the FISA application process.

From IG Horowitz's report: We determined that the Crossfire Hurricane team’s receipt of Steele’s election reporting on September 19, 2016 played a central and essential role in the FBI’s and Department’s decision to seek the FISA order.

In what way do your talking points support your argument? They don't.

It is known by everyone but perhaps you, that the dossier was started by an anti-trump Republican pac. A FISA warrant needs to meet a low bar ONLY. The warrant against page was NOT what led to the Mueller investigation. Two separate things.

What was the next sentence immediately proceeding your damning line, "KEY piece of evidence used?

"when the team first sought to pursue a FISA order for Page in August 2016, a decision was made by OGC, or, or both that more information was needed to support a probable cause finding that Page was an agent of a foreign power."

In other words, they were already watching him, already suspecting him of working with the Russians. The Dossier was just another corroborating piece of evidence, which by the way has been shown to NOT be all fake! Much of it has been corroborated with other evidence. Besides, a FISA warrant again, only needs to meet a low bar. THAT IS HOW OUR SYSTEM WORKS. If you don't like the system, change it.

"The 400-plus page report, released Monday, found that the FBI had ample evidence to open its investigation — despite allegations of political bias."

"Horowitz also reaffirmed that the so-called Steele dossier, a collection of partly unverified reports about then-candidate Trump, "had no impact" on the bureau's decision to open the investigation."

Should I repeat that again?
"Horowitz also reaffirmed that the so-called Steele dossier, a collection of partly unverified reports about then-candidate Trump, "had no impact" on the bureau's decision to open the investigation."

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/11/786323546/doj-inspector-general-testifies-on-fbi-probe-of-trump-campaign

F**k me, you inexhaustible supply of stupidity and your inability to substantiate your claims is unrivaled. In fact, the majority of the claims you have made here have been shown to be inaccurate.

"Absolutely no one believed the report was 100% accurate. It was a piece of information that cannot stand on its own and still is."

This statement makes zero sense. Either the dossier can stand on its own because it's factual or cannot because it lacks a factual basis.

Horowitz reports states the Steele dossier was viewed as nothing but "internet rumor" by the CIA and at the time of the initial FISA application, the FBI had corroborated practically nothing in it.

"At the time the FBI submitted its first FISA application, Horowitz writes, it had “corroborated limited information in Steele’s election reporting, and most of that was publicly available information.” Horowitz says of Steele’s reports: “The CIA viewed it as ‘internet rumor.’”

Even with practically non-existent corroboration on the part of the FBI, the Steele Dossier was the deciding factor for the FBI to seek the FISA warrant...

"The report describes how, prior to receiving Steele’s reports, the FBI General Counsel (OGC) and/or the National Security Division’s Office of Intelligence (OI) wouldn’t budge on seeking FISA authority. But after getting the reports, the OGC unit chief said, “receipt of the Steele reporting changed her mind on whether they could establish probable cause.”

Meanwhile, the OI unit chief said Steele’s reports were “what kind of pushed it over the line.” There’s no FISA warrant without Steele."

Now, I am not going to carry on with you. You are simply too stupid and intellectually dishonest to even admit reality. You are a sheep. And a dumb one at that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/horowitz-report-steele-dossier-collusion-news-media-924944/amp/

You believe the dossier has to be 100% accurate or none of it is. That is your problem, not mine. The document wasn't meant to be an element of fact in a court of law. It was meant to be an investigation into possible crimes, possible wrong doing, like most pieces of information in an investigation. There are so many elements in the dossier, to say that it is all garbage is just not fact and not true. Many things have been proven true in multiple ways.

I'm not looking at any more of your links. You are obviously not looking at mine.

Key piece = Central and essential

Do you know what synonymous are?

Bottom Line: a f**king DNC funded campaign document was a central and essential piece of evidence in the warrant to secretly spy on an American citizen. Said "Central and essential" document was RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION!!!!

"Should I repeat that again?
"Horowitz also reaffirmed that the so-called Steele dossier, a collection of partly unverified reports about then-candidate Trump, "had no impact" on the bureau's decision to open the investigation."

Once again we see you that you possess the reading comprehension skills of a small child. We are not talking about what basis the FBI had to open the investigation, we are clearly talking about what material they USED TO SEEK A FISA WARRANT.

For the stupid people ( aka YOU): The FBI decided to open an investigation, said investigation required seeking FISA warrants. The FBI misled and deceived the FISA court in seeking said warrant.

Do you get it now?

The original meme talks of the Mueller report. No one gives a shit about the FISA warrant. Again, only a low bar needs to be established for one. Same thing would happen today under the same circumstances and under Trump. That is American law.

In fact, Russia later tried everything under the sun through disinformation, to make the Dossier seem fake! You've got things backwards there!

None of what you just said, is accurate as the statements I listed out of the Horowitz report. The finding from the Horowitz report was that, nothing looked/seemed politically motivated.

"No one gives a shit about the FISA warrant"...says the moron. Please explain dear moron if "no one gives a shit" then why exactly was it part of the investigation and why exactly did Horowitz say there needs to be change around the process for FISA warrants? Can't wait for this circular reasoning.

"In fact, Russia later tried everything under the sun through disinformation, to make the Dossier seem fake! You've got things backwards there!"

Well the dossier was entirely fake. Nothing was verified and FBI knew this PRIOR to using it as a "central and essential" piece of evidence to obtain a FISA WARRANT.

"Newly unearthed memos show a high-ranking government official who met with Steele in October 2016 determined some of the Donald Trump dirt that Steele was simultaneously digging up for the FBI and for Hillary Clinton's campaign was inaccurate, and likely leaked to the media.

The concerns were flagged in a typed memo and in handwritten notes taken by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec on Oct. 11, 2016.

Her observations were recorded exactly 10 days before the FBI used Steele and his infamous dossier to justify securing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page and the campaign's contacts with Russia in search of a now debunked collusion theory."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/442944-fbis-steele-story-falls-apart-false-intel-and-media-contacts-were-flagged%3famp

Even worse, the FBI not knew it was false, they knew it was Russian disinformation

"Newly declassified footnotes from Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s December FBI report reveals that senior Obama officials, including members of the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane team knew the dossier compiled by a former British spy during the 2016 election was Russian disinformation to target President Donald Trump."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/saraacarter.com/declassified-horowitz-footnotes-show-obama-officials-knew-steele-dossier-was-russian-disinformation-designed-to-target-trump/amp/

You are showing everyone here that you cannot read with comprehension. Horowitz said the opening of the investigation didn't seem politically motivated. We are not discussing how it was OPENED. We are discussing how it was CONDUCTED.

Please show how, "all" the details of the report that have been proven false. There are multiple claims in the dossier that have been corroborated.

Absolutely no one believed the report was 100% accurate. It was a piece of information that cannot stand on its own and still is.

Calling me a moron in no way makes your argument stronger.

https://www.businessinsider.com/steele-dossier-allegations-trump-russia-mueller-investigation-2019-1#wikileaks-roger-stone-and-the-2016-dnc-hack-1

Blah, blah, blah. tl dr

I read your links, it's clear you MISREAD your own link, especially the NPR link.

You stated the FBI didn't use the Steele dossier to "open the investigation". Clearly I am not talking about what was used to "open the investigation". I am talking about what used DURING the investigation. I am looking at the conduct during the investigation, you're simply latching on to one line and saying "see, Horowitz said everything was fine, which is false.

You stated the DNC and Clinton didn't fund the Steele Dossier. You were wrong.

You stated "the Steele dossier was not the only piece of evidence used to START the investigation". But I never said it was. I said, accurately (as shown by FBI sources) that the Steele Dossier was the key piece of evidence in getting a FISA warrant to spy on an American citizen. A political document from the Democrats was the essential to let the FBI spy on a republican candidate.

You then tried to claim that the document wasn't shown to be "ALL FAKE". Well the FBI never corroborated the information, but that didn't stop them from using a document they knew to have political origins as the "key and essential piece" for a FISA warrant.

As I said. You are a sheep. A dumb one, who can't read and comprehend her own links.

I never said the DNC did not fund the dossier? Where did I say that?

No wonder you are so ill-informed. You only read half of what is put in front of you.

Where does it state in our law that a politically motivated document cannot be used as information in an investigation?

To this day, little in the dossier has been proven incorrect. Much more has been corroborated.

Once again we see you CANNOT READ!!!

Your Vox story is making the same mistake you are. It talks about the OPENING of the investigation. I am talking not about the opening, but how it was CONDUCTED. This makes it at least the third time I have made this clear and you still manage to f**k up your response.

The New Yorker as it's nothing but a fluff piece from the AUTHORS OF THE DISCREDITED AND UNVERIFIED STEELE DOSSIER. And it only served to say what I had already stated. The FIRM (GPS) was hired by a republican group to do opposition research on Trump. But that is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THEIR WORK ON THE STEELE DOSSIER, which was funded by Democrats and the Hillary Clinton campaign, and the FBI knew that.

"To this day, little in the dossier has been proven incorrect. Much more has been corroborated."

Claim made with ZERO SOURCES...meanwhile I have supplied multiple that show the Document was RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION...

Are you really this dumb "Where does it state in our law that a politically motivated document cannot be used as information in an investigation?"

Just so we are clear, Trump in 2020 could fund a document from Russian sources, give it to his DOJ and then get investigations against Biden? You would be okay with that?

F**k Off.

"I never said the DNC did not fund the dossier?" You attempted to claim it was from a republican super pac. This is NOT CORRECT. A Republicans Super Pac, previously employed the same firm, GPS, to conduct opposition research against Trump. This same firm would later produce the Steele Dossier.

Once again we see you cannot read. Republicans didn't fund the Steele Dossier. Democrats did. Republicans used the SAME FIRM, but not for the Steele Dossier. Reading is hard for the dumb folks

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/22/18277089/fox-news-steele-dossier-lie-trump-witch-hunt

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/25/586040491/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-russia-investigations-the-dossier

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-inside-story-of-christopher-steeles-trump-dossier

Last but not least, you are like a Klingon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS4s3XXNLiE

If Flynn got screwed over, wouldn't you want to see justice prevail or are you that partisan?

https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/it-sure-looks-like-the-fbi-was-gunning-for-mike-flynn/

Just stop with the partisan bs. Stone is a douchebag and has been a douchebag for at least 20yrs. It shouldn't take a dem to see that. You should see that. Everyone should see that. Stone spending the rest of his life in jail wouldn't end America.

Don't make comments about who's winning the election. That's just stupid. We'll see what happens when it happens.

Partisan bs? Because I believe in justice?

Now being a douchebag is a jailable offence? And why exactly a douchebag? He helped Trump? Has a Nixon tattoo? He's Republican? He should die in jail???

It depended on my hypothetical. You don't really try to understand what I'm saying to you. I'm actually being non partisan, believe it or not.